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"Israel has to be called out, you can't just walk onto some land, start killing the indigenous population, forcing them to live in tiny pockets, while you make up a new country, set your own laws, and put up borders as if it's all yours and no one else can come in"
The USA:
@selzero um, just like early american settlers, followed by the US government?
How shall we change how America has treated indigenous tribes as illuminated by your statement?
@gfjacobs exactly the point of my post :)
@selzero not to mention that the people about whom you wrote that are NOT indigenous. They are Arabs whom the other arab countries MADE into refugees for 65 years after they tried to kill the state of Israel in its infancy.
@selzero and have dedicated themselves to destroying Israel and killing all jews therein.
Somebody threatens you, then invades, rapes and kills your people.
What are you gonna do?
@gfjacobs even if you give me a million dollars I'm not going to claim the answer is "massacre thousands of innocent people".
@selzero so on that point we agree
So why are you not outraged by the murder that precipitated it?
*<perplexed>*
Of course I am!! Where did you get that I am not?
But the second one is ONGOING and we are powerless to stop it, and OUR GOVERNMENTS ARE BACKING IT MAKING US COMPLICIT IN MASS MURDER. That's where the major frustration is coming from.
@selzero i did miss this one, and I wanted to acknowledge it.
I recognize that you are not being one sided about it, but it's clear to me (not how I feel, mind you) that the only way around this is through, and the only sad way through depends on what the Netanyahu government does, and I cannot say that this inspires any hope.
Only if we presume that the colonial mindset of the West that it deserves.to take over lands from indigenous populations is a just one.
Because whatever the narrative you choose to follow, the status in Palestine is effectively a white washing / gentrification of a corner of the Middle East. As long as that exists as a goal, friction will also always exist.
@selzero if you invoke history, you are bound by its lessons.
You cannot pick and choose what you want.
You lose me when you apply gentrification to my argument.
Applying russian nationality to nut-and-yahoo instead of Jewish Israeli national shows a type of anti-semitic reverse loyalty argument that is really offensive when you apply it to him as a westerner doing a land takeover of "indigenous" people who truly are not
I know that is likely not your intent, but it is how it comes out.
Well yes.
It's horrible.
But that is what is happening.
Netenyahu most probably has zero ethnic link to the area at all. He is ethnically Russian.
Religion and ethnicity are not the same thing.
@selzero he ws born in Tel Aviv.
He is "indigenous"
Ok so Donald Trump is also indigenous in your opinion?
I would like an answer. If you believe Netenyahu is indigenous, is Donald Trump also indigenous.
@gfjacobs I just saw that you think Trump is a native American 
@selzero yes, as a hemorrhoid is indigenous to an anus
What the fuck did I just read? Wild takes. Wild!
I'm white enough that I burn in the shade. My ancestors have been on this continent since before the British took over New Amsterdam (now called New York). In no way am I indigenous to this land. My family has been here longer than Trump's, and we're definitely not indigenous.
By this guy's logic, I am legally entitled to go claim, by force, farmland in upstate NY, Canada, and the historical territory of North Dakota.
The only way around this is... through??
What is that supposed to mean?
"This" is genocide and ethnic cleansing. If we don't stop it, the only way is THROUGH the bodies of thousands and thousands more civilians.
And that's not a way "out" of a damn thing. The only place that gets us, is a nightmare future flooded with rivers of blood-- because the war profiteers glutting themselves on this and getting away with it WILL NOT STOP with the Palestinians.
It sounds like there is a certain number of dead children they have to achieve which would mean no one is going to be an angry liberation fighter in the future 
